Re: Christianity vs Spirituality

When using labels/language to describe anything "spiritual" (Christians included!) depends, in my view, heavily on:

01. who says it?
02. in what context?
03. what are the conditioning of that person?
04. why is it expressed that way?
05. what preconceived (often unchecked/unchallenged) assumptions goes along with it?
06. does it have any connections to tunnel vision narratives?
07. what are the expectations? (if any)
08. is it "faith based" if so ... is that based upon (blind?) trusting certain "authorities" you're not supposed to discuss nor challenge?
09. is it connected to "group think" behavior (not really wanting to use own responsibility for your quality of thinking/reasoning/judging).
10. is it part of a human based agenda?, if so how "flawless" is it? (this dilemma is with everything in life).
11. who controls the definitions? how to "interpreted" them? ... and to what end? really?
12. does that person who "defines" the labels & "use of language" want to learn anything new? ... or is his or her mind already made up?

Is it based upon people "who need to be told how to act/think/reason" assuming that you can "not" do it from within? ... If that is the case, for some individuals it may be necessary indeed to be "guided" that way ... but at the same time there are many people who also get guidance from the heart, from within, doing even more good things/deeds without the need to be told to do so ... Are they "bad people" if they "just do it" without others telling them to do it? ... The assumption that all good deeds/acts without "the blessing of a belief system" seems like over the top control freaks wanting to take credit (claiming monopoly on genuine spirituality) of how they assume it "must" be done ... In my view, there is NO GUARANTEE that Christianity or any other "belief system" is "free" from corruption/abuse & evil (just google: pedophile priests protected by the Vatican). The same goes for all other "group think" behavior mannerism.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳

For the record, I know (personally met) enough wonderful Christians (who I deeply appreciate) who do not have to explain who they are nor "prove themselves" to anyone and practice genuine spirituality just for what they are ... and they may well do the same without their religion if they are truly honest about it ... but that is the crux, they are conditioned not to say that out loud sadly enough >>> because that will be seen as "selfish" or "egotistical". Hence, religions LOVE to take all the credit for they think "their way" is "the only way".

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳 

Re: Christianity vs Spirituality

Quote Posted by Mike (here)
The idea of God being male is dismissed outright. I don't think God has a penis, but I think His fundamental energy is male. I'm quite certain of this. This is often scoffed at. I've seen God referred to as “she” in what the writer imagines is some clever, progressive troll I s'pose, and I've seen it written that way in earnest. I've heard God described as being genderless as well.
If your Soul is a Multidimensional Consciousness Being/Entity experiencing how it is to be Human here on Earth >>> but also being an Alien on another planet before that, and maybe you have been both: (male & female) let's assume that is the case ... Why do you think Multidimensional Soul Consciousness choose to do that? ... What could be the purpose of that?

The (in my view) the biggest question of them all:

Why is it that a "Multidimensional Soul Consciousness Being" chooses to have (temporary?) amnesia about who we really are? >>> we all might be very ancient souls! ... What has happened that we lost our heritage/legacy? ... Are we "punished" ? ... Do we live on a "Prison Planet" ... or are we "spiritual" tested ? .... To what end? ... Are volunteers coming here to "assist/help" totally underestimated how bad it really is, because of that, gets caught up in a seemingly endless web of unnecessary build up Karma lifetime after lifetime?

Is our brief "existence" here on Earth (let's say on average ±85 years) a less than a split nanosecond in comparison to how old the Universe is! Why should we care about "male vs female" really? (in that context!) ... Think about that!

That is why I will repeat over and over until I die: "Prime Creator is way too big for any man-made (or alien-made) religion!" it is BEYOND all what we can comprehend within the nanosecond we exist here in this Universe, which is even bigger than that, called: "Multiverse".

On top of all that, we humans only see/sense a super-duper tiny fraction of all frequencies' range/spectrum, claiming we "figured it all out" (not!).

The arrogance is beyond extreme!

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳 

Re: Christianity vs Spirituality

How I see it

(trigger warning, it may offend some people):

Christianity (symbolical speaking) represents for me the smile on our faces we show to the outside world and what we want to be and strive for (especially when we think we help others).
Genuine Spirituality are the eyes that goes along with the smile that tells/shows you if someone is in pain (or not) when smiling <<< which is not "vague" for me.

... and when I'm talking about Genuine Spirituality it is not "new age people" nor new age "groups" of any kind >>> but rather it is universal that resides in all of us.

I know that any Christian can use the: "reverse psychology trick" and claim it is the opposite ... that is why brutal self-honesty is KEY in all this not wanting to "fit in" any dogmatic conditioned programmed group behavior but being the authentic you that works from within!

Most (if not all) Christians really mean well and do not want to do harm nor exploit things, and just want to have a better world like everybody else. So do not see it as an "attack" rather a personal observation I have experienced in real life multiple times.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳
Re: Christianity vs Spirituality

How many people out there that do not trust themselves anymore and need assistance/guidance one way or another.

And that could have many causes:

01. traumatic experiences in the past
02. losing your father at young age
03. father that was most of the time gone
04. father that was an alcoholic and abusive
05. not having a real mother
06. not having a safe upbringing
07. depending on the wrong people for too long
08. being forced to do things in the past that still haunt you
09. having way too many setbacks in life
10. not be able to pay huge debt that limits future prospects severely
11. having (reoccurring) depressions and/or anxiety issues
12. being homeless
13. and on and on and on ...

Vulnerable people that need help often do not know how to ask for help nor how to be at the right places.

So when religion offers (conditional) help they may not mind being "exploited" as it is "nothing" in comparison with what they are at (see the 12 points examples!) ... so OFF COURSE people will request more positive uplifting vibes coming from anyone who wants to offer help! And religion may be the condition to get help! Who am I to take that away from anyone? ... So everything in life are perspectives and seeing things from multiple angles.

That is why it is not a given that everybody is on the same "wavelength" discussing religion. All depends on what people need in their lives.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳 



UFOs & Christians the Hypocrisy Paradox

Millions believe in God but never saw "Him" ... Millions worldwide saw/experience genuine UFOs and know 100% what they experienced ... are still called: "believers" not experiences/knowers.

It is "okay" to believe a man walked over water and having a "Talking Snake" in the Garden of Eden etc. etc. ... but the same who claim that say it is "not okay" to ponder if UFO's and their occupants throughout human history influenced almost all Religions on our planet.

Any generalization for or against is not doing justice to the full spectrum of the truth.

Everybody can find echo-chambers of your own bias ... not hard to do ... especially when (personal) fears and genuine worries are involved "about the other" being "deceived" ... this projected assumption can also be part of a deception agenda without realizing it.

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I can make list a long long list of subjects having unjustified over the top fears being copy-catted just because people think they are "so sure" of themselves but was an exaggeration to "convince" the other.

Lot of people have to face their own created demons first to be able to transform these obvious fear-based projected obstacles.

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Those who are so sure that "all" CE5 UFO Experiences are part of a "evil conspiracy" to control millions ... I have a question for them:

01. How many people have you actually spoken/communicated with who did those CE5 Protocols successfully? (be honest!).
02. How many videos/sites of successful CE5 testimonies have you really studied?

To assume they "all" must be victims ... that assumption in itself proves my point how some people have a Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) pushing a false narrative thus become a tool for deception themselves thinking they do "good".

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Am also aware that some (very few) Avalonians are (fanatic?) Christians (or act like it) and see everything that is paranormal or alien as "demonic" ... often "forget" to add that in to the their projections when communicating to other members ... knowing if they did, that others will see what they are actually doing.

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Personally met (face to face in real life) all kinds of different types of Christians (100s over the years) that came to one (or more) of my 80+ UFO Lectures I gave in 5 countries.... what they all seem to have in common is they feel themselves as "saviors" for your Soul and use any means necessary to "save your Soul" ... And see anyone that questions that myopic behavior as part of an "evil energy" ... So you never ever can convince them one way or the other. Am so used to that. Nothing new.

Also did many 3 hour live radio shows in Amsterdam 1990 up to 1998 where anyone could phone-in and debate me or my guest discussing UFOs live uncensored ... and guess what ... there I debated Christians too about UFOs ... many times ... So it is not new to me ... noticed a lot of recognizable predictable patterns of behavior.

A good friend of mine told me that IF a real Christian is blending in a paranormal and/or UFO research groups not stating their true "mission" their true Modus operandi (true intentions) but slowly expose themselves can be challenged by asking if they are Christians and see everything through that lens. According to their beliefs they are not allowed to lie about that question ... because to openly deny your faith is worse than anything else for most hardcore Christians.

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research tip: bibleufo.net


Am really happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳
July 17th, 2021 

e: UFOs & Christians: the Hypocrisy Paradox

Quote Posted by pabranno (here)
John,
I read your post with interest (as with all your posts
Hoping this thread engages sincere dialogue.
I personally have to absorb your comments.
I too have thoughts on the matter.
I need to think about my response a bit after considering your input.
I am a Christian.

Pamela

Thank you

Be aware that I know that most Christians have an open mind but are afraid to be open about their more balanced views on UFOs if they connected it with their Faith ... As other Christians will "thought-police" anyone questioning their orthodoxy & dogma.

cheers,
John 

Re: UFOs & Christians: the Hypocrisy Paradox

Imagine Christians demonizing (label) any Alien as "Demonic" .... and non-Christians "worshiping" the wrong aliens ...

Both have lessons to learn in practicing real discernment skills taking responsibility for own quality of thinking/reasoning ... Not hiding behind "group think" nor hive mind behavior.

I also noticed that if you are not a Christian ... they assume you "worship" something else ... and ask you about that issue in many ways .... Maybe it never occurred to them that ANYTHING that "needs worship" is wrong to begin with.

cheers,
John Kuhles 🦜🦋🌳
July 17th, 2021 

Re: UFOs & Christians: the Hypocrisy Paradox

To me Dr. Steven Greer is a "Saint" in comparison what "Christians" (not using meditation) did past 1000+ years especially towards anyone who commit the "crime" to be different ... like the Native people of North+South America & Australia!

And what about real meditating people in Tibet vs "rational people" from China oppressing them (taking their right to self-determination away) and I can go on and on people using all kinds of hypocritical worry-some based & generalized "logic".

Am really happy to say there are also many open-minded (humble) Christians not demonizing UFO's by default ... but sadly enough most of them are afraid to speak about their more balanced honest views.

I never assumed that what happened to Iris suicide is the "same" as how others behave (I thought that was obvious) ... I mentioned that (bring it up) only to show I really studied all kinds of fear based behavior of humans intensely... and the "worry too much" how others may think/act is the lowest form/level of all fears ... still can create an one-sided Myopic View (Tunnel Vision) especially when you are on a "mission" to "educate" the others.

Some even assume that worrying is not even fear based "if it is rational" may in some circumstances be just the case indeed ... but it can also be used as a perfect excuse especially when you are generalizing a group of different people having different experiences than you have thinking they can "not" be helping Human Kind just "because they have contact with ET's" ... This over the top generalizing assumption alone proves my case!

cheers,
John Kuhles 2021

ps. Am well aware of the (possible) dangers of all kinds of UFO cults worldwide ... I even warned about that on record, 100s of times in great detail last 31 years! 

Re: UFOs & Christians: the Hypocrisy Paradox

Quote Posted by East Sun (here)

You really would not have to see him to believe in him given what we were told in Scripture.
Jesus, if he existed was essentially human but very spiritual and I fully believe was not of this
realm/dimension.
That is the whole freaking point ... depending on OTHER limited (in my view corrupted) humans deciding what is allowed in the scripture and "how" to interpreted them etc. etc. (blindly) trusting them they are not "deceiving/misdirecting/misquoting" stuff for political reasons or even satanic reasons.

Even if they were not "deceiving/misdirecting/misquoting" it is still based upon very limited human-based perceptions being used by some as "absolute" creating all kinds of problems like: "us vs them" behavior ... "the chosen ones" vs the rest etc.

I never ever claim Prime Creator "does not exist" but I do claim: Prime Creator is way too big for ANY man-made and/or alien-made religions ... and any assumed Deity that "needs" worship is wrong to begin with, in my book.

cheers,
John 
Re: UFOs & Christians: the Hypocrisy Paradox

Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)

I am an Irish Republican Roman Catholic and I can assure you there are NO ALIENS in those pictures of exquisite art.

What does exist, is your desire to emotionally drive Christians (no other collective groups) to accept Aliens as historical fact. When no real evidence exists. Anywhere.

Referring only to the first image, tell me in detail what do you see? What does that image depict?

And you being a Jew, should reveal the discontinuities of our separate education systems.
???

Where did I claim those Old Medieval Art Depicting UFOs "must be" aliens?? ...

They (UFOs of the Past) could be anything, like:

01. Time Machines
02. Interdenominationals (beings from another dimension).
03. Left over of Atlantis/MU/Lemuria technology of Oceanic underwater cities.
04. (Human) beings from a Parallel Universe
05. and yes "Aliens" should be a on this list as a possibility too ... to exclude that option is obvious ultra close-minded.
06. etc. etc.

@Snoweagle... Why do you claim I am a "Jew"? ... please point me where you have ANY evidence that I suppose to be that? ... and even if I was (which I am not and never was) what the Fck has that to do with anything.

Did I touch a "sensitive nerve" or something for you to over-react? ... If so, I do it over and over again ... because I have no respect for snowflakes using false accusations to "make a case".

cheers,
John Kuhles 
July 21st, 2021 

Re: UFOs & Christians: the Hypocrisy Paradox

Quote Posted by Snoweagle (here)
Hello John,
First, I interpreted wrongly that you were always Jewish.
I never was a Jew and never will be (same for any other religion) ... still waiting for you to explain where you got the idea that I suppose to be a "Jew" and in what context? ... Point at a post of me ... or a comment of mine ... or a link ... or a video or anything else from me ... please show me where you came to that weird conclusion?

--o-O-o--

What "Old Medieval Art Depicting UFOs" are?

Is already stated: "U.F.O.'s" ... and what UFOs are >>> is a long list of possibilities ... as I studied UFOs 35 years now, and can talk about that for days non-stop without taking a break

cheers,
John 


Clarification update:

I see Christianity as the smile people present to the outside world, and Spirituality as the eyes that tells a different story.

To make a statement like that (I just made) is something I do all the time when I deal with complex psychological issues & tensions.

It takes a higher mind to "let it (sink) in", a "lower mind-set" does not even bother to comprehend WHY I state like that. So when I communicate like that, I NEVER say it in a judgmental energy, rather to make a point that resonate how I see it what is happening, hoping  people find their true genuineness & authentic-ness within. By assuming someone has also a "higher mind" is for me like showing respect for that part of every human being on earth.